I returned these jeans as they looked odd. The flare was too floppy and this made them fall weirdly below the knee. The flare was also too big for the lovely soft fabric and it made the jeans fold up on themselves looking flat rather than flared. If the flare was smaller or the fabric was thicker it would have made a massive difference.The colour was nice and the fit/stretch was good above the knee. Fabric felt nice on the skin.